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    Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Mr_Isaac on Sun 9 May 2010 - 18:36

    I'm confused about Joseph. What was his power? Samuel and Lydia repeatedly referred to him as an empath, and they talked about replacing him with Peter (an empath), but on Edgar's sheet it said his power was manipulating emotions. Also, Samuel remarked that Lydia had become the empath to replace Joseph at the start of TAOD, so I guess my question is really, in the Heroes universe, what is the definition of empath?
    Someone who perceives/manipulates emotions?
    Someone who replicates abilities (Peter/Sylar)?
    Or just someone whose ability is in anyway related to empathy and emotions, so that's pretty much all of them?


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Superheroesfanatic-IR on Sun 9 May 2010 - 18:48

    http://theories.activatingevolution.org/swiki/wiki/index.php/Empathy

    Joseph had the ability to change peoples emotions and lydia had the ability to feel emotions [by touch]

    peter was an emapthic mimic
    http://theories.activatingevolution.org/swiki/wiki/index.php/Empathic_Mimicry

    it was just shorter and easier to call him an empath


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Mr_Isaac on Sun 9 May 2010 - 20:47

    If you ask me Heroes really over uses the word 'empathy'. I mean, anyone would easily get confused in S3 when Arthur talked about Sylar's 'empathy' meaning the emotional side of his IA, and think that he had EM. Also, Lydia's ability is called empathy, on wiki at least. And, to top it off, there is another ability called Empathic Manipulation, which could again forgivably be mixed up with EM or Lydia's ability. I mean, have these people ever heard of a thesaurus? Lol


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Mrs P Sylar on Sun 9 May 2010 - 21:09

    Lol

    Sylar's form of EM is about to get WAY stronger, tho, cos he needs empathy to get the abilities, and he has the ability of empathy...


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Mr_Isaac on Sun 9 May 2010 - 21:37

    Yeah, that's another thing that is bloody confusing! The emotional side of his IA was referred to as Empathy, and now he has Lydia's ability, also called Empathy! Confusing or what?!


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by anonymousidentity20k on Sun 9 May 2010 - 21:46

    The "empath" simply refers to the power being connected to emotions that would explain why it is linked to so many things.


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Flying Man! on Sun 9 May 2010 - 21:48

    Peters is Empathic Mimicry in S1 he said he needs to think of them not cut them out theres the Empathic link.

    Empathic Manipulation - Joesphs ability to manipulate emotions

    Empathy - Lydias to feel ones emotions

    Sylars Empathic side is that he needs to learn how the ability works before obtaining it

    All have sommething to do with Empathy and Emotions just used differently and mean different thinks

    The word Empath comes from somone with a Empathic link or emotion link ability
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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Superheroesfanatic-IR on Sun 9 May 2010 - 23:21

    i think its stupid that sylar has an empathic sid. it makes no sense. He has IA which in intuitive amplitue which has nothing to do with emapthic mimicry.

    Yeah what josh said. There are different types of empathy/empaths.

    Empathic mimic known as an empath

    empathy [lydia]

    and emathic manipulation [to manipulate emotions] is known to be an empath too.

    it can be confusing, but i dont get confused Wink


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Wayward Daughter on Mon 10 May 2010 - 10:46

    It was never claimed that Sylar also had EM - people just misunderstood, because as Danny said, they do overuse the term empathy. He can just also get understanding of the ability by understanding the person.


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Superheroesfanatic-IR on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:18

    but he then gained elle's ability. and arthur did say that he had an emapthic side to him and he gained lydias power too.

    Shocked this means, now that sylar is good he is pratically s1 peter Surprised


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Wayward Daughter on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:19

    Peter could mimic any person though, if he was just close enough to them. Sylar needs to form a connection with them, to understand them.


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Superheroesfanatic-IR on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:21

    he didnt really with lydia. he was just a bit horny, if you call that a connection? Wink


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Mr_Isaac on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:22

    Yeah, I don't personally get that confused by it, but I can easily see why people do. I think the empathic side of Sylar's IA is very similar to Peter's EM, but definitely not the same power.

    The only reason I started this thread was to query why Edgar used once sense of the word empath to Samuel, who went on to use it conpletely differently referring to Lydia and Joseph.

    The only answer I can think of is that they know from experience that someone who copies abilities is empathic by nature, so the two words (the same word!) have become synonomous (what a ridiculous way of putting it, I know!). Anyway, I'm satisfied enough with that, but I maintain that they need a thesaurus.
    At least for Joseph's, they could have called it Emotion Manipulation or something like that, no?


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Flying Man! on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:23

    Yeah but she used hera bility on him during that scene so he probably got a good understanding of how it worked
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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Mr_Isaac on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:23

    And yeah, but he also spent loads of time with her at the carnival before he turned back into Nathan and flew on out of there.


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Flying Man! on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:25

    I agree about the name change of the ability Nod
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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Superheroesfanatic-IR on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:38

    agree

    joseph and lydias abilities are both similar. so i think they are really empaths although lydia has empathy

    i seriously dont get why sylar has EM, well sort of. its just stupid.


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Wayward Daughter on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:39

    They're not really similar, apart from the emotion connection. Lydia sees people's emotions, desires, fears etc., while I think Joseph manipulated emotions. That right?

    And it isn't. It kind of makes sense.


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Mrs P Sylar on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:42

    Sylar doesn't have EM. Razz He just has a way of getting powers without killing ppl.


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Mr_Isaac on Mon 10 May 2010 - 16:47

    Yeah, the empathic nature of Sylar's IA is fine, it worked with Elle and Lydia, and I presume he used it to gain Flight from Nathan. The only reason it got confusing is because Arthur referred to is as his empathy, which people also sometimes called Peter's original EM.

    And Joseph's power should definitely be called Emotion Manipulation/Control or something, just as a way to avoid confusion.

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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Superheroesfanatic-IR on Mon 10 May 2010 - 18:27

    so sylar can gain peoples abilities by making an empathing connection with them?
    thatss EM Razz


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Wayward Daughter on Mon 10 May 2010 - 18:28

    It's not. EM is mimicking everyone the character meets. Even a stranger they'd pass in the street


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Mrs P Sylar on Mon 10 May 2010 - 18:29

    It's different, Rajan. Rolling Eyes


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by anonymousidentity20k on Mon 10 May 2010 - 20:02

    ok a rough deff of Sylar's power is he needs to understand how something works through fixing the "broken parts" he absorbs the ability but not completely as the other person still holds onto their ability.


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    Re: Joseph the empath...?

    Post by Mr_Isaac on Mon 10 May 2010 - 23:26

    He doesn't absorb it, more copies at, as Peter does.

    Lowri, you are right, but then why should Peter's original ability be called EMPATHIC Mimicry? If he can just absorb a passing stranger's ability, what is in anyway empathic about that? Sure Peter is an empath by nature, but that wouldn't seem to have anything to do with his ability. Why not just call it Power Mimicry, or Ability Mimicry? Or, here's a thought, Ability Replication? Ok, no, ignore that last bit, let's not make this any more complicated that it already is!


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